[NLNOG] (Weer) een nieuwe IX in Nederland

[Boudewijn Visser]

Jeroen Wunnink schreef op 2018-04-25 11:45:
> We have AMSIX, NLIX and a few other smaller fragmented exchanges
> already that span multiple larger+smaller datacenters and are
> carrier/vendor-neutral (more or less, let's not get into that ;-).
> Thus I'm a bit doubtful on the success of a 'local' datacenter IX
> that's vendor specific in a small country like NL.
> 
> In the US this makes more sense, given that everyone is at pretty much
> the same large hubs and there's not that many mature alternatives with
> a decent userbase.
> Competition is good, but given the maturity of some existing exchanges
> here and pretty much every AS being on one or multiple exchanges as-is
> (pun not intended), it might be a hard sell to get people on the
> Equinix specific ones as well.
> 
> I'm not seeing any real added value on launching these here unless I'm
> missing a big incentive to do so (i.e. free IX connectivity with your
> Cloud Exchange port or vice versa?)
> 

I agree that I also do not see much if any value purely from the 
"Exchange" point of view - the biggest value of an Exchange is basically 
the number of suitable peers present .
So I doubt many people will want to _go_ there primarily to connect to 
the iX .

However, if you are _already_ present in this Datacenter and wish to 
peer with someone who is also present, using the 'in house iX' could be 
a nice and convenient service from the datacenter operator .

Depending on in-house iX pricing, traffic volumes, resiliency wishes in 
your design, and (port)prices of your equipment and that of your peers 
the in-house iX may well be preferable to private peering , or both 
peers backhauling to the nearest external exchange .

If the DC operator already has a sufficiently large network 
design/operations team, the marginal cost of operating an 'in-DC 
exchange service' should be quite low , and imo then it can be a nice 
value add [not unique selling point] for their customers.

Not to mention the marketing value , as this thread shows :-)

Boudewijn


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> Jeroen Wunnink
> Integration Engineering Manager
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> On 24/04/2018, 18:55, "NLNOG on behalf of Arnold Nipper"
> <nlnog-bounces at nlnog.net on behalf of arnold at nipper.de> wrote:
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>     [ Sorry for switching to Enlish, but my Dutch is to bad ]
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>     On 24.04.2018 13:08, niels=nlnog at bakker.net wrote:
>     > * job at instituut.net (Job Snijders) [Tue 24 Apr 2018, 12:41 CEST]:
>     >> Er is (alweer) een nieuwe IX in Nederland, sommigen zagen deze 
> al van
>     >> verre aankomen:
>     >>
>     >>
>     >>
> https://url.emailprotection.link/?a2CpwB7v-YuNg3Hr3KRdFPHjkSLCheU7rsmqNfVTOTffXyj6sFqG9WGEfOy4T1LK_lcc4f4yUPLNeb3ZlVK5QsYWisbw8h61iSs7xc3-lwWN6lqa9KZWJNqYmrONjxPbVVZxhNfVZDL0s3m2Hr6A3dhiab_xnu-XkciOmqiCCKZo~
>     >>
>     >>
>     >> Wat is de impact op NL-IX, AMS-IX, SPEED-IX & Asteroid dat nu 
> een
>     >> datacenter naast crossconnects, power en ruimte, ook IX diensten 
> bied?
>     >>
>     >> Profiteren wij als operators van meer competitie in deze markt, 
> of zal
>     >> dit leiden tot minder competitie? Hoe erg is fragmentatie?
>     >
>     > Wat is het punt van een Internet exchange waar je alleen kan 
> peeren met
>     > andere partijen in hetzelfde datacenter?  Dat kan je dan ook 
> direct
>     > doen.  AMS-IX biedt operators juist vrijheid van datacenterkeuze.
>     >
> 
>     According to Asteroid this was/is the real intention of an IX. YMMV 
> and
>     mine also does ;-)
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>     Competition is always good. However where I could see an issue is 
> when
>     DC operators also jump the bandwagon.
> 
>     From a network pov a good choice of IXes is always good as they 
> don't
>     have to put all their eggs in one basket.
> 
>     Let's see how this all works out.
> 
> 
>     Groeten,
>     Arnold
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>     Arnold Nipper
>     email: arnold at nipper.de
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