<div dir="ltr">Hoi,<div><br></div><div>Thanks, Teun. Good call and I support the outcome.</div><div><br></div><div>groet,</div><div>Pim</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Oct 19, 2023 at 5:37 PM Teun Vink via NLNOG <<a href="mailto:nlnog@nlnog.net">nlnog@nlnog.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Hi everyone,<br>
<br>
In the last couple of days, NLNOG RING admins and the NLNOG board have <br>
received a number of questions about the new Hurricane Electric <br>
supertraceroute tool (hosted on <a href="http://bgp.he.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">bgp.he.net</a>) using NLNOG RING nodes as a <br>
datasource.<br>
<br>
To our disappointment, Hurricane Electric has not asked permission for <br>
or even announced the use of the NLNOG RING for this purpose before <br>
releasing the tool.<br>
<br>
A number of RING node owners have indicated that they're not happy with <br>
their node being publicly accessible for this purpose, on a website <br>
hosted by a third party. This conflicts with the philosophy that the <br>
RING is built on mutual trust and managed as a community.<br>
<br>
As NLNOG Board, we understand these concerns and have requested <br>
Hurricane Electric to stop using NLNOG RING nodes this way. In addition, <br>
the SSH keys identified as used for this purpose will be disabled by <br>
NLNOG RING admins.<br>
<br>
In general, NLNOG encourages people to use the NLNOG RING to provide <br>
services for the good of the internet and especially RING owners. The <br>
way this was done by Hurricane Electric violated the trust on which the <br>
RING is built and the community spirit. We will try to see if there's a <br>
way we can make an arrangement with Hurricane Electric to enable use of <br>
RING nodes in a way that meets expectations of RING node owners, for <br>
example by using an opt-in model.<br>
<br>
Please don't hesistate to contact the board or the RING admin team if <br>
you have any questions on this subject.<br>
<br>
On behalf of the NLNOG Board,<br>
Teun Vink<br>
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</blockquote></div><br clear="all"><div><br></div><span class="gmail_signature_prefix">-- </span><br><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature">Pim van Pelt <<a href="mailto:pim@ipng.nl" target="_blank">pim@ipng.nl</a>> <br>PBVP1-RIPE - <a href="http://www.ipng.nl/" target="_blank">http://www.ipng.nl/</a></div>