[NLNOG] EU IXP pricing

Wed May 25 13:08:04 UTC 2016

Hi,

On Wed, 25 May 2016, Arnold Nipper wrote:

> On 25.05.2016 09:37, Florence Lavroff wrote:
>> Beste NLNOGers,
>> Dear Job,
>>
>> Thanks to you (and other contributors) for your extensive research and
>> useful tool.
>>
>> I also believe it would add value to create a separate column for NRC /
>> set-up fees.
>>
>> You may also want to add an extra one for the IXP business model
>> (commercial/for profit, non-for profit, private … , as Dave did in his
>> slide #8).
>>
>
> Good point! ... what other metrics come to mind?

I Agree with the additional columns for NRC (setup fees) and/or Membership 
fees.

Any extra additional columns could be very usefull if you run an IXP. For 
the purpose Job made this overview I think that any additional column only 
hides the information that this sheet tries to compare.

Regards,

Jac

>
> * Is traffic important?
>
> * Number of participants?
>
> * Are key players there?
>
> * How well does the IXP cover the Metropolean Area (in terms of
> presence in most important DC)?
>
> * Is financial stability a matter?
>
> * how well does the IXP grow?
>
> * stability, i.e. uptime?
>
>
> Met vriendelijke groeten,
> Arnold
>
>
>> Met vriendelijke groeten,
>> Flo
>>
>> 2016-05-23 8:20 GMT+02:00 Andre van Vliet <andre at solidhost.com
>> <mailto:andre at solidhost.com>>:
>>
>>    >> 2) NetNod MRC is door twee gedeeld omdat je per set van twee poorten
>>    >>    connect.
>>    >> 3) Eventuele jaarlijkse membershipfees zijn in de MRC verwerkt
>>    >>
>>
>>    >Might be useful to have a separate column for this, because the table is
>>    >easier to maintain and fees are more transparent
>>
>>     I agree. This would be particularly relevant in scenarios when you
>>     bundle multiple ports under the same membership, which is quite common.
>>
>>     Details like that aside: very useful Job, thanks for sharing!
>>
>>     -André
>>
>>     -----Original Message-----
>>     From: NLNOG [mailto:nlnog-bounces at nlnog.net
>>     <mailto:nlnog-bounces at nlnog.net>] On Behalf Of Arnold Nipper
>>     Sent: zondag 22 mei 2016 16:36
>>     To: Job Snijders; NLNOG
>>     Subject: Re: [NLNOG] EU IXP pricing
>>
>>     Beste NLNOGers,
>>
>>     Ik ben nieuw op de lijst en mijn gesproken Nederlands is zeer
>>     rudimentair. Hence excuse me if I switch to English now. Way easier for
>>     your eyes :)
>>
>>     On 22.05.2016 11:34, Job Snijders wrote:
>>    > Beste NLNOGers,
>>    >
>>    > Naar aanleiding van Dave Temkin's GPF praatje [1] en de stemronde
>>    > afgelopen week bij AMS-IX over de commerciële strategie (LTCS
>>    > 2016-2019), heb ik een overzicht gemaakt van de huidige gepubliceerde
>>    > prijzen van diverse Europese publieke internet exchanges om beter
>>    > inzicht te krijgen in hoe de exchanges zich onderling verhouden.
>>    >
>>    >     EU IXP megabit/sec cost spreadsheet:
>>    >
>>      https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18ztPX_ysWYqEhJlf2SKQQsTNRbkwoxPSfaC6ScEZAG8/edit#gid=0
>>    >
>>    > Het is interessant om te zien hoe nieuwe technologie zoals 100GE
>>    > significant de effectieve prijs per megabit drukt. Onze vaderlandse
>>    > juwelen NL-IX en AMS-IX zijn per mbit op 100GE (in vergelijking met
>>    > 10GE) 38% en respectievelijk 50% goedkoper.
>>    >
>>
>>     really very, very useful and well done, Job!
>>
>>    > Enkele opmerkingen:
>>    >
>>    > 0) Alles non-Euro currency rekent Google Spreadsheets om naar Euro met
>>    >    recente data.
>>    > 1) Ik leg twee profielen: 85% utilisation ("vol") en 40% util
>>    >    ("gemiddeld") naast elkaar.
>>    >
>>
>>     Where do these figures 40% and 85% come from? From a reasearch paper I
>>     remember that you are able to load a 10G to over 90% w/o seeing PL even
>>     due to microbursts. And the higher the bandwidth of the link the higher
>>     the load can go.
>>
>>     The 40% may come from the ratio of peak traffic seen at an IXP to the
>>     connected bandwidth.
>>
>>     For comparison just between IXP's it doesn't matter which percentage you
>>     take. Otoh if someone is looking at the prices s/he might be attempted
>>     to compare this with transit prices (imho comparing prices at IXP with
>>     transit is like comparing apples with oranges imho. But that's another
>>     story)
>>
>>    > 2) NetNod MRC is door twee gedeeld omdat je per set van twee poorten
>>    >    connect.
>>    > 3) Eventuele jaarlijkse membershipfees zijn in de MRC verwerkt
>>    >
>>
>>     Might be useful to have a separate column for this, because the table is
>>     easier to maintain and fees are more transparent
>>
>>    > 4) Eventuele Setup/installatie fees worden over 3 jaar afgeschreven
>>    >    en ook in de MRC verwerkt. Cabling fees zijn niet geincludeerd.
>>
>>     Might be useful to have a separate column for this, because the table is
>>     easier to maintain and fees are more transparent
>>
>>    > 5) Enkel openbaar gepubliceerde prijslijsten zijn gebruikt, behalve in
>>    >    het geval van INEX waar IRC informatie is gebruikt.
>>    > 6) De gemiddelde IXP poort schijnt maar voor voor 40% gebruikt te
>>    >    worden, dit verschilt natuurlijk van netwerk tot netwerk!
>>    > 7) Waar product keuze is, word in het overzicht LR4 optics
>>     gebruikt, en
>>    >    altijd gekozen voor de meest 'unrestrictive' variant op policy
>>    >    gebied.
>>    >
>>    > "Hat tip" voor Samer Abdel-Hafez, hij heeft meegeholpen met het
>>     opsporen
>>    > van alle prijslijsten.
>>    >
>>    > Met vriendelijke groeten,
>>    >
>>    > Job
>>    >
>>    > [1]: https://www.peeringforum.com/the-real-cost-of-public-ixps/
>>    >
>>
>>     Met vriendelijke groeten
>>     Arnold
>>     --
>>     Arnold Nipper
>>     email: arnold at nipper.de <mailto:arnold at nipper.de>      phone: +49
>>     6224 5593407 2 <tel:%2B49%206224%205593407%202>
>>     mobile: +49 172 2650958 <tel:%2B49%20172%202650958>      fax:   +49
>>     6224 5593407 9 <tel:%2B49%206224%205593407%209>
>>
>>     _______________________________________________
>>     NLNOG mailing list
>>     NLNOG at nlnog.net <mailto:NLNOG at nlnog.net>
>>     http://mailman.nlnog.net/listinfo/nlnog
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Florence Lavroff / lavroff at google.com <mailto:lavroff at google.com> / +31
>> 20 504 5474 / +31 6 11 01 55 80
>> Peering and Content Distribution / Google EMEA
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NLNOG mailing list
>> NLNOG at nlnog.net
>> http://mailman.nlnog.net/listinfo/nlnog
>>
>
>
>

-- 
Jac Kloots
Network Services
SURFnet bv